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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 185 on the fourteenth of

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july i am coming to you in the hallway

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the expansive hallway here at the south

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point casino just outside the amazing

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meeting alongside me for the

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introduction today is our good friend

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and us correspondent on the East Coast

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Travis Roy hi Travis hey Rachel how's it

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going I'm going really well it's a bit

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early in the morning i must admit people

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filing into one of the early morning

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sessions but it's a bit quiet down this

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end of the hallway and a perfect

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opportunity to do a little work on the

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skeptic zone house yard oh I can hear

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the tones of George rub in the other

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room how's your amazing meeting being so

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far it's been absolutely amazing

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likeness I thought you'd say that I

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thought you'd say that well it's

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everybody I've spoken to and so many

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people so many people have come up and

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said how much they liked listening to

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the skeptic zone and that's very

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pleasing and have you seen Maynard

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running around oh yes of course let miss

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him last night with his gold jacket God

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he was wearing a gold jacket to the Penn

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Jillette show last night and he who is

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having a great time I think he's sound

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asleep right now good for him yes I

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would be too after the long may he had

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but listeners will be so happy to know

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that may not is having a wonderful time

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here at the amazing meeting because it's

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the listeners who really got me not here

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for this event here tells me he's got

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something got something over a gigabyte

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of in interviews so far yeah I've seen

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almost every time I've seen him he said

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a microphone in somebody's face I agree

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and I think he's got something in the

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vicinity of 60 interviews done so far

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wow that doesn't mean they're hours

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worth of interviews each there may be

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five minutes here in 10 minutes there or

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whatever the case may be and

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well we look forward to hearing those in

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fact some of those will be coming on

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later in the show I better tell you

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what's on the show as I would love to

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hear with on what's on the show that's

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we better find out we're going to kick

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off with a little interview I did with

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our good friend from the skeptics guide

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to the universe Evan Bernstein now Evan

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and I and the rest of the skeptics guide

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to the universe crew are just last week

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were invited to visit Pixar Animation

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Studios up there near San Francisco and

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the very next day we were down the coast

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a little bit at Google headquarters yeah

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they showed pictures of it during their

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live performance yesterday and it looked

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like it was a good time if they did

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indeed that was a great time so are we I

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have a little chat to Evan about our

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trip to Pixar and Google that's at the

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top of the show then after the break I

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catch up with our dear friend Eugenie

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Scott from the National Center for

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Science Education she's going to discuss

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many things including her frequent

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visits to the Grand Canyon and more

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creationism and evolution stories coming

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up Eugenie is always a lovely person oh

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she's and I've seen her here running

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around the corridors too lovely to see

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Jeanne Scott and to round off the show

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oh yes oh yes we're going to take

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advantage of maynards microphone it's

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Maynard spooky action with an assortment

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of clips and insights from various

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people here at the amazing meeting great

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can't wait to hear it I mean it's again

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folks it's just so wonderful to see

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Maynard running around he runs around

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then absolutely crushes with jet lag and

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goes to bed for two hours jumps out of

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bed again and is running around with

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this microphone well it's enough from us

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here at the far end of the corridor

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sitting at the Australian skeptics table

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Travis let's get on and listen to the

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skeptic zone while I run down the

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well they're glorious melody of Michael

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Jackson in the background but now I'm

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trying I'm trying to be optimistic I'm

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trying to be a beat about it I'm with

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to the universe podcast hi Evan Richard

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how are you I'm really well I'm having

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such a wonderful time with you guys

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hanging out with St you yesterday we

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were at Pixar which was mind-blowing it

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was it was tremendous I've been watching

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Pixar movies while since Toy Story I

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mean they really that was the first

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movie I've seen everyone since so I

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can't really say I've grown up with

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Pixar you know cuz I was an adult when

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I've been watching these movies and to

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actually go to the place where they

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create the actual magic is just

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spectacular it was I couldn't imagine

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what it was like because it was a

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wonderfully modern sort of building and

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scenes where people have their little

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office and it was like a theme park

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every little office was like a different

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theme park with it to make the workers

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more comfortable is incredible the

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culture there is pretty incredible how

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they really enhance the creative aspects

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of what they're doing and they really

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let their people relax as much as they

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can while they're getting some pretty

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you know tough work done I mean let's

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face it they're doing some pretty

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strenuous work at times especially when

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they're looking to meet their deadlines

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for or these movies coming out and there

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time they know how to relax in the

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middle of it all and take some of that

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stress away it's an extremely extremely

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well let's just say I'm jealous of those

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who work there and I wish I could work

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wish i had the skills to work an

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environment like that but i guess it the

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whole place is tailored to get people to

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be creative and have that fire in their

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belly and be passionate about what

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they're creating and that translates

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onto the screen you know when you put

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love and dedication into a movie

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quality listeners who are familiar with

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the Pixar films you know the Toy Story

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movies over all and especially animated

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features and I like a lot of them but

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pics are always seems to come out with

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the best quality material and having

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almost see how they're able to make that

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possible now listeners may be wondering

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what the noise is behind us Evan and I

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are standing in the auditorium here at

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Google headquarters Google headquarters

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weird giving a presentation today to the

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they've just opened the cafeteria but so

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that but just getting back to pics how

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this is no means to suck up to them

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where we treated well or what we were

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work there are listeners of both of our

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shows they were thrilled as thrilled as

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we were to be there they were thrilled

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to have us they're definitely symbiotic

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in that in that relationship and so here

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we are we finding ourselves at google

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today and we we have fans at Google who

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listen to both our podcast which is very

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flattering to know our win a huge room

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here all the chairs long tables the

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chairs are all the colors of the google

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logo we've got google logos around us

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and there's a few people milling about i

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think we're going to go over soon and

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grab ourselves a bit of lunch but i'm

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being part of the SGU lineup today too i

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guess a guest rogue on the side

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absolutely to talk to these people here

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at Google but it's an incredible place

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sculptures but they were all of famous

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how strange is that it's strange and at

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the same time amazing because I don't

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see this sort of what other what other

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corporate campus do you walk around and

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you see you know busts and artwork and

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paintings and it'll be and all these

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other amazing things we've just been

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given an order by Steve novella to come

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across to the other side of the room so

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seeing the Sun and we having some Evan

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great to catch up with you and I look

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forward to sharing the stage with you in

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hey guys this is jay from the skeptics

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guide to the universe or well held on

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whoa everybody knows I'm the only reason

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to listen to the Freak Show right I mean

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if it was up to me the show would start

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with this yeah boy well Rebecca would

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hate that probably but I mean I'd rock

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that listen to our show and you can

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learn about cool stuff like a

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technological singularity which is

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someday when technology progresses so

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fast that it would make the Industrial

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Revolution look like a kid science

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project anyway come check us out at WWDC

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okay so where were we choose a genie

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California good Berkeley coffee good

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Berkeley coffee i'm in berkeley of

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course no i'm not even clear enough

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technically i'm in oakland on that's

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what the map says that is where we are

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and i'm with my dear dear old friend not

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old i'm sorry my dear friend who I've

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known for a while my longtime friend oh

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that's the way to do you say my long

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time for my long time friend Eugenie

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Scott hello genies I just it's just

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always so wonderful to meet up with you

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um well it really is and to be here in

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the National Center for Science

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Education drinking our coffee hmm well

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a real treat and I'm looking forward

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especially to tonight because you and I

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are both going to the amazing meeting

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and we're both leaving tomorrow on

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different flights as it happens but

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to is it a restaurant or is it it is a

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run by some Chileans and i will be

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buying you dinner since you are kind

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enough to speak for the Bay Area

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skeptics you will be eating chili in

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food science what is great and you are

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skeptic so usual second Wednesday of the

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month meeting and we are delighted at

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interesting topic and giving a few

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demonstrations i'm particularly looking

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forward to that but what a treat it is

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in fact i remember one of the first

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talks if not the first talk i ever gave

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in the united states was for you was

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that really yeah and you were there and

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Phil Plait was there it was for the Bay

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Area's captain I was a little library in

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Berkeley yes yeah and in two thousand

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and rule because it then whenever

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well we we have met in a variety of

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places over the years and this little

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space here seems to be working out

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pretty well for that's vented but

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looking people that just as nice as can

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be so we like so and it's close to

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public transportation which is very

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important yeah that's good too now we

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just before we were recording we were

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having a chat because just after the

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amazing meeting which were both heading

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off to very soon just after that you're

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eating off to one of your favorite

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places in the world indeed the grace

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Canyon Tam ends on Sunday and on Monday

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I take off my presentation clothes and

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put on my grubby old shorts and t-shirts

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your adventure because my pick up my

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tent yeah head off to Grand Canyon and

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you've been there 11 times this will be

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my 11th time and I remember if I'm

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counting correctly and I bet every time

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you go without exception there are new

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things absolutely absolutely this is a

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rafting trip down Grand Canyon we start

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at the essentially at the top of Grand

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Canyon a little place called Lee's ferry

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and we ride through all of the strata

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basically from the top of the canyon

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down to the shifts and granites of the

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Precambrian rocks and then we come out

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of the canyon and actually actually of

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course the river itself is in the same

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place as just the Colorado Plateau has

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been uplifted so that the feeling is

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you're going down but actually you are

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in the same place because you understood

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and the ground went up so it's a sort of

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an optical illusion there but it

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geologically it is truly one of the most

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magnificent places on the planet and so

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it's a lovely place from a scientific

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standpoint and there's wonderful natural

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history there I I was just looking

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through my diary from last year and I

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noticed noted this is probably going to

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scare people away but there's a very

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rare pink rattle snake that lives

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practically no place other than the

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Grand Canyon and it's a very rare kind

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of creature and one what we saw one last

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last year it was very excited really so

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of course it wasn't and one of our

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campsites but

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yeah it's just a really easy to be yes

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it's it's a it's not an albino but it's

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this kind of you know light light pink

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Oh sort of rosy tan if you help but it's

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a very intrested so there's interesting

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creatures there it's an interesting

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ecology because the area right around

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the river is quite dry and of course

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very rocky hmm but if you go up side

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canyons and we do that all the time you

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know take hikes laterally you get into a

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very different kind of ecosystem where

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you have different kinds of trees of

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course it's much better watered because

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what makes it aside Canyon is generally

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there's a little creek right yes

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permanently or intermittently through

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yeah but it's a it's a raft trip and

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there's like I said great science

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geology various kinds of natural history

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but because obviously this is an NCIC

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trip right so we do a creation and

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evolution tore down Grand Canyon and one

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of my colleagues is a trained geologist

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a very skillful teacher steve newton and

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he is you will tell you the real story

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of Grand Canyon and I will tell you the

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creationist version of how these four

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thousand layers of sediment were all

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laid down during the period of Noah's

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Flood and as the water receded laid down

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these various shales and sand stones and

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mud stones and all the other kinds of

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rocks and how the large impoundment of

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water north of Grand Canyon catastrophic

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Lee cut the huge 350 mile Gorge over a

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period of about a week or so and so my

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partner this goes much more quickly in

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more ways than one you can you get

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hysterical laughter all chuckles awesome

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well of course all the people going on

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this trip our NCSE members and their

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friends and family and so everybody's

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kind of kind of knows I mean it's not

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like I'm trying to convince them like

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the truth of young earth creationist I

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admit but we really do have very serious

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conversations about what are the

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creation is saying about this and

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how would you answer it I say because I

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mean most of just like the intelligent

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design people or any other creationist

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when creationists deal with the geology

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of Grand Canyon they get into fairly

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technical things why is it that a sample

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of one of the lavas taken from the top

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of the canyon dates to a very young age

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which doesn't fit with the rest of the

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geology around what's wrong with it well

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most of his allergies I don't know

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exactly yeah yeah well there is an

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answer to that but it does take a little

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bit of digging through the literature it

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takes a little knowledge of its the old

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problem isn't it it's so easy to for our

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opposition if we might use that word to

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come up with statements and claims and

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everything and so difficult to properly

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address those in a short amount of time

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difficult videos complicated disorder is

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a short amount of time yes yeah

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sometimes the answers aren't that

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difficult but they're more lengthy it's

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very easy to say X didn't happen yeah or

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x is impossible and then it takes you a

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lot longer to explain why X as possible

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my ex did happen and here's a plausible

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scenario for how it happened it cetera

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and so it's you know dealing with the

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creationists is is a challenging I I

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think a lot of people are find this

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rather fun you you hear these answers

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you think hmm I don't know the answer

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that I'm going to do a little bit of

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research and find out rush which is what

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got me into studying this I tonic of

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course it don't ask me how many decades

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ago how many decades ago many do hi do I

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have to take off my shoes and count I

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ran out of fingers okay um so so we do a

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creation and evolution toward grand

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canyon and we really enjoy the heck out

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of it number one how could you not enjoy

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the canyon eight but number two it's it

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is we get a lot of science done we

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really we really talk about science a

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lot and people are interested in science

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if they're all a bunch of science fans

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how many people company you only street

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it's a total of 24 that's a nice number

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yeah wuts ur dad includes it's two boats

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of 12 each

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so it's not you know grossly crowded no

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and there's plenty of room and the we

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travel with a I'll put in a little plug

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for our outfit rather with a commercial

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outfit called mochi Mac which is a

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family-owned outfitter that has been on

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they've been on the river for decades to

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the father they know what they're doing

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boy go do they ever and they have

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delicious food and their very safety

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conscious so you don't you don't eat the

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snakes then know that little pink

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rattler no it was a as a matter of fact

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our boat then made sure you know that

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every okay everybody come on over and

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look at it it's an interesting bit of

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Natural History and now we leave it

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alone hmm because this is its house yeah

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we go to the other side of the camp we

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had stopped for lunch and in we had

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stopped for lunch at what is sometimes

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used as a camping site for smaller

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groups than ours and there was a little

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shady area over near the coastline of

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the or the beach area and there was this

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little snake getting out of the hot Sun

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or the day mad dogs and englishmen

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staying out of the Sun and him being

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smarter than mad dog cities but he was

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staying out of the Sun and so we all

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very politely took a look and didn't

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disturb it at all and so they're very

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conscious of Natural History they and

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our the people who raft with us are also

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really concerned about the environment

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concerned about

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about the creation/evolution problem

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they love science and our mochi mac the

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company that we have gone with every

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trip of ours is very cognizant of

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leaving the campsites and leaving the

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areas that we visit at least as good as

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when we found them but most likely

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better so you know we always pick up any

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any if there's any possible literate out

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we always just leave a pristine camp and

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it's a matter of pride for our group so

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we have we have a great well if you've

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been doing this for 10 years plus I

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think that speaks volumes and you I can

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tell I can't wait exactly folks you

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should see geez almost jumping out of

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the chair to get there again it must be

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just wonderful it is just the most it's

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the highlight of my year and how long is

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the truth it is eight days that's not it

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is very that's nice that that's not too

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short not to long and so that's nice

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it's um it's definitely it's like car

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camping because you know you can bring a

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tent you can bring them all your camping

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gear well you don't actually need

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camping has somebody else cooks for you

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oh wow this is very nice but you know

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you bring your personal stuff and you

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can bring your big Matt you're not

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you're not you're not backpacking you

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don't have to worry about weight right

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so you can you know you can bring your

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big fancy camera if you want you can you

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can bring them bring heavy stuff if you

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want to because you just put it in the

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boat and the boats damn big that there's

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really no you know no problem with with

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volume so while so it's it's you know

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it's camping but it's car camping rather

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than backpacking so it's pretty plush

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they bring chairs they really did its

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way so we have we have these nice canvas

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chairs to sit on it we get off about

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Italy and so it's very comfy and very

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comfy indeed what a white boy what a way

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what a way to see the Grand Canyon and

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so a very quick plug before we get on to

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chat about other things that information

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about that trip which is every year is

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available for you we will soon be

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posting and say we're recording this in

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early July just before Tam so we haven't

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posted it yet we'll post it right after

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our

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confused but next year's trip will be

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July fifteenth through july 23rd so

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almost the same dates as this year okay

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and listeners have a year to get

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themselves together or less than here

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really when do you like to have you need

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your numbers you need the book well we

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um a few months in advance I automatic

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Oh several months settlement okay okay

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you it start it starts filling up the

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you know january-february okay only

539
00:22:40,659 --> 00:22:38,450
person and if you really want to be sure

540
00:22:42,819 --> 00:22:40,669
you have a seat yes especially if you're

541
00:22:45,310 --> 00:22:42,829
coming with a friend or two yes then you

542
00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:45,320
should probably check our website which

543
00:22:51,249 --> 00:22:49,190
is ncaa.com and just in the search box

544
00:22:54,009 --> 00:22:51,259
put Grand Canyon it'll pop up that's

545
00:22:57,879 --> 00:22:54,019
excellent and so just follow the

546
00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:57,889
instructions you can either call us give

547
00:23:02,019 --> 00:22:59,450
us a credit card sent us a check

548
00:23:03,609 --> 00:23:02,029
whatever whatever save you a seat baby

549
00:23:05,169 --> 00:23:03,619
listen now something else that's been

550
00:23:07,479 --> 00:23:05,179
now popping up lately which we were

551
00:23:09,819 --> 00:23:07,489
discussing briefly before and the

552
00:23:13,389 --> 00:23:09,829
microphone was recording was interesting

553
00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:13,399
times in Tennessee indeed you know it's

554
00:23:18,369 --> 00:23:15,289
funny I was remembering the last time I

555
00:23:20,229 --> 00:23:18,379
was on your program and that we had just

556
00:23:22,479 --> 00:23:20,239
started the climate change initiative

557
00:23:25,569 --> 00:23:22,489
and we had just hired mark McCaffrey our

558
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:25,579
climate change their number and we were

559
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,609
just gearing up the lab I try to

560
00:23:32,919 --> 00:23:31,039
remember when we tape but the january i

561
00:23:35,049 --> 00:23:32,929
think i was speaking to in january i

562
00:23:37,419 --> 00:23:35,059
think i think the new website had just

563
00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:37,429
gone like was fixing to go live very

564
00:23:42,369 --> 00:23:39,950
quickly and so we were very excited

565
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:42,379
about that and we still are and talk

566
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:44,450
about prescient i mean here we are we've

567
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:47,089
been known to be this evolution

568
00:23:52,239 --> 00:23:48,769
education organization for umpteen years

569
00:23:53,979 --> 00:23:52,249
and we decided we'd better add climate

570
00:23:55,299 --> 00:23:53,989
change because teachers are getting beat

571
00:23:58,419 --> 00:23:55,309
up for teach and climate change and

572
00:24:01,359 --> 00:23:58,429
guess what happens the great state of

573
00:24:05,019 --> 00:24:01,369
tennessee reintroduces a bill that we

574
00:24:09,789 --> 00:24:05,029
thought we had smacked down in 2011 but

575
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:09,799
in 2012 the academic freedom act in

576
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:12,769
tennessee was reintroduced and that

577
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:16,210
spring we had a very vigorous fight

578
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:20,320
supporting our allies in Tennessee

579
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:24,610
teachers science organizations and now

580
00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:26,470
climate science organizations

581
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:28,580
environmentalist organization so we were

582
00:24:34,259 --> 00:24:30,710
able to join ranks with them as well

583
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:34,269
right because this Tennessee bill

584
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,710
combines or bundles if you will

585
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,880
evolution and climate changes

586
00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:43,360
controversial issues the teachers should

587
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,070
single out from all other topics in the

588
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,320
curriculum to teach the strengths and

589
00:24:54,610 --> 00:24:50,720
weaknesses of oh they're going down that

590
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:54,620
road yep haha the the wording of these

591
00:25:02,740 --> 00:24:57,049
laws is always very very fascinating

592
00:25:06,460 --> 00:25:02,750
it's lots of circumlocutions shall we

593
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:06,470
say topics that arouse debate and

594
00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:11,600
disputation well no they in science look

595
00:25:16,539 --> 00:25:14,149
evolution really doesn't arouse debate I

596
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:16,549
mean it happened yeah living things of

597
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:18,710
common ancestors the universe has had a

598
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:21,470
history Noah's Flood did not carve Grand

599
00:25:29,259 --> 00:25:26,570
Canyon really and similarly with climate

600
00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:29,269
change I mean a climate that the

601
00:25:33,370 --> 00:25:32,179
scientific community is not debating

602
00:25:36,009 --> 00:25:33,380
whether the planet is getting warmer

603
00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:36,019
it's getting warmer we've got lots and

604
00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:38,990
lots of data yeah and the science

605
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:41,929
community isn't even seriously debating

606
00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:44,210
whether people have a lot to do with

607
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,460
this warming I mean that's also a done

608
00:25:52,269 --> 00:25:49,039
deal as far as science is concerned now

609
00:25:55,649 --> 00:25:52,279
these may be controversial topics in the

610
00:25:59,740 --> 00:25:55,659
general public but why would that

611
00:26:01,930 --> 00:25:59,750
dictate the curriculum you know that is

612
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,940
that is letting politics determine what

613
00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:03,679
your kids learn well that's the old

614
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:06,830
story rather than Ravenel letting good

615
00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:08,809
scholarship you just watch your kids

616
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:13,820
learn yeah and it's it's almost too easy

617
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:16,130
to say well look it's just Tennessee of

618
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:17,450
course you know of course it would

619
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:19,340
happen in Tennessee but I I bet it's not

620
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:22,370
just Tennessee you are correct in fact

621
00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:25,690
not not to just you know don't dumb but

622
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:28,190
well boys towards out listeners in

623
00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:29,330
Tennessee of course

624
00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:31,100
but there there's this tendency to think

625
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:33,080
oh the Bible Belt yes that's what I'll

626
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:34,930
get in there but I was getting out yeah

627
00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:38,720
thing is these academic freedom x I'm

628
00:26:42,580 --> 00:26:39,980
actually going to be talking about this

629
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:42,590
attempt okay and so if any of your

630
00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:45,650
listeners are interested they may be by

631
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:47,900
the time this airs there may be some

632
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:49,970
videotapes on I guess they don't put

633
00:26:56,860 --> 00:26:52,070
them online I'm hoping I'm hoping to add

634
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:56,870
this interview at the weekend of Tam in

635
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:58,460
fact though we'll see okay you'll see

636
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:02,720
i'll try anyway so there may be videos

637
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:06,320
available that love it but there have

638
00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:09,410
been something like 40 of these academic

639
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:11,420
freedom act type bills they're all quite

640
00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:16,130
similar they all stress academic freedom

641
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:17,960
for teachers to teach a full range of

642
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:21,200
views and so forth and so on they and

643
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:23,470
who can argue the word freedom right

644
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:27,170
critical thinking was that I'm critical

645
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:29,810
thinking aren't you I am but now you've

646
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,860
mentioned that didn't I here just lately

647
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:34,880
something about the words critical

648
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:38,360
thinking in Texas am i right um what

649
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:41,380
you're hearing is a revelation that the

650
00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:44,630
Texas Republican Party state platform

651
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:48,140
has a plank in it that's critical of

652
00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:50,990
critical thinking but the way it stated

653
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:55,580
is very odd and it's it's probably not

654
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:57,890
quite as awful as we'd like to believe

655
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:01,700
okay in the sense that it's very

656
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:03,710
frustrating what some of the political

657
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:05,090
parties have done with science over the

658
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:07,310
years and that would certainly be a very

659
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:10,010
good example but I'm trying to remember

660
00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:11,810
exactly how it was worded I think well

661
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:13,700
it did not bring glory to thee I think

662
00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:16,310
it takes if people just to run a search

663
00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:19,040
for Republican Party Texas and critical

664
00:28:23,050 --> 00:28:20,270
I'll probably find the reference i'm

665
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:23,060
talking about but that that sort of

666
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,010
brings up another point which only just

667
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:27,200
occurred to me as you were speaking how

668
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:29,630
would you gauge the last three and a

669
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:31,310
half years of the change of

670
00:28:35,230 --> 00:28:33,530
administration in this country when we

671
00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:35,240
talk about science and science education

672
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:37,190
has there been a difference have you

673
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:39,350
noticed a difference in because everyone

674
00:28:45,170 --> 00:28:41,340
used to say all the republicans had this

675
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,180
war on science right there's science and

676
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:48,000
science education in terms of the

677
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:52,170
various agencies in the United States

678
00:29:00,140 --> 00:28:57,200
that deal with science like energy and

679
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:00,150
interior and there's lots and lots and

680
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:02,730
lots of federal government agencies that

681
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:04,710
employ scientists and where scientific

682
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:07,500
work is done the US Geological Survey

683
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:10,790
Fish and Game type people lots of stuff

684
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:13,830
they are much happier because there's

685
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:16,110
much less pressure to come up with the

686
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:19,170
right answer really then this was one of

687
00:29:23,150 --> 00:29:20,970
the major criticisms of the previous

688
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:23,160
administration there was political

689
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,770
pressure on the products that these

690
00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:27,840
scientists in the civil service were

691
00:29:35,290 --> 00:29:30,900
directed to produce Environmental

692
00:29:37,670 --> 00:29:35,300
Protection Agency and just down the line

693
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:37,680
that is not happening under the current

694
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:39,570
administration which makes the

695
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:41,250
scientists the Civil Service scientists

696
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:45,060
feel much happier blow jobs in terms of

697
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,360
science education that hasn't been much

698
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:50,940
different because the federal government

699
00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:53,490
has hardly anything to do it curriculum

700
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,160
right one one of the things that I

701
00:30:00,530 --> 00:29:58,620
always have to explain to people from

702
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:00,540
outside the United States and many of

703
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:03,150
your listeners obviously are is that we

704
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:09,230
have a an amazingly decentralized

705
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:11,190
education system compared to other

706
00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:14,490
developed countries basically we have

707
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,060
the school district as the locus for

708
00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:20,700
decision making it's the district that

709
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,040
decides who can teach there how much

710
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,840
they're going to pay them what their job

711
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,480
duties are etc etc the state can have

712
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:30,960
some influence on how many hours a year

713
00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:34,220
a student has to be in class but you can

714
00:30:38,150 --> 00:30:36,750
change that for how many of the local

715
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:38,160
district can decide how many hours per

716
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:40,170
day etc there I mean there are health

717
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,970
and safety kinds of regulations that the

718
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:43,860
state can impose on it is right right

719
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:46,650
but by and large the state doesn't have

720
00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:49,980
very much control over curriculum now

721
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:52,680
ironically enough it was under

722
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:54,179
Republican

723
00:31:01,140 --> 00:30:57,370
mr. bush the second the last two terms

724
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:01,150
that he served where that had started to

725
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:03,010
change and of course it's ironic because

726
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:06,250
the Republicans are the are very strong

727
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:08,710
proponents of this decentralized local

728
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,470
control of education but it was really

729
00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:13,360
because of the advent of the No Child

730
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:18,270
Left Behind education law of 2001 that

731
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:22,270
required frequent testing of students at

732
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:26,230
certain grade levels teachers referred

733
00:31:33,570 --> 00:31:31,840
to it as No Child Left untested and if

734
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:33,580
you're going to test kids at regular

735
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,870
intervals what are you going to test a

736
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:37,120
month well the state science education

737
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:38,830
or the state history of the state math

738
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,510
education standards then sort of evolved

739
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:46,559
from being largely advisory to being

740
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:49,150
more mandatory sort of with a big thumb

741
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:51,100
on the scale the local district could

742
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:54,490
choose not to teach the state standards

743
00:31:58,770 --> 00:31:56,530
but their kids still had to be tested on

744
00:32:01,049 --> 00:31:58,780
the state standards so it behooves them

745
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:01,059
to have the kids study with the kit what

746
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:02,830
they were going to be tested on which

747
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,600
means that the state standards became

748
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:07,120
much more important locally so the

749
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:09,910
standards movement which I fully support

750
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,580
is started to get more traction

751
00:32:17,789 --> 00:32:14,950
ironically enough under the local

752
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:17,799
control fans of the Bush administration

753
00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:19,450
but it's because of the No Child Left

754
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:21,790
Behind frequent testing phenomenon that

755
00:32:27,659 --> 00:32:24,730
took place which is kind of amusing so

756
00:32:31,169 --> 00:32:27,669
where we are today actually is kind of

757
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:31,179
interesting because again people have

758
00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:32,650
gotten used to the idea of State

759
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:34,870
Standards and they don't freak out so

760
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:38,350
badly as they used to and in English

761
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:41,650
language arts and mathematics now as of

762
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:43,890
the last couple of years there are

763
00:32:49,169 --> 00:32:46,809
national science education standards

764
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:49,179
which have been voluntarily adopted

765
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:53,590
really by 48 of the states Wow Texas and

766
00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:56,650
Alaska opted out Texas Alaska what a

767
00:33:02,220 --> 00:32:59,500
surprise why would imagine those well I

768
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:02,230
never done but I'm thinking they're the

769
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:03,790
two biggest states and they're so far

770
00:33:09,299 --> 00:33:06,610
apart what can listen well

771
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:09,309
of course Alaska's big but it's not very

772
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:11,740
populous that's true Texas is big and

773
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:16,330
populous but many have it so so there's

774
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:18,370
going to be some regularity and at least

775
00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:21,370
the instruction of mathematics and in

776
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:24,160
English language arts across the 48

777
00:33:33,299 --> 00:33:28,210
states anyway 48 of the states and as we

778
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:33,309
speak in July of 2012 there is currently

779
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:35,650
under construction national science

780
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:38,770
education standards sucker now these are

781
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:43,840
standards that were initially the

782
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:45,160
blueprint shall we say for these

783
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:46,570
standards was developed by the National

784
00:33:52,289 --> 00:33:49,960
Academy of Sciences and the National

785
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:52,299
Science Teachers Association so they had

786
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:54,580
blue ribbon panels kind of writing these

787
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,470
this this is the these are the

788
00:34:03,810 --> 00:33:58,000
parameters you need to consider and then

789
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:03,820
that framework was given to a nonprofit

790
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:06,280
organization to actually put pen to

791
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,260
paper and construct the actual standards

792
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:11,230
for each grade and the content and so

793
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:14,649
forth so it's very interesting because

794
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:16,899
the math and English language arts

795
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:21,659
standards were adopted quite quickly by

796
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:25,330
vast majority of states the science

797
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,730
education standards have only been

798
00:34:31,649 --> 00:34:30,399
signed on to it shall we say and of

799
00:34:36,359 --> 00:34:31,659
course they haven't been finished yet

800
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:36,369
but there are only 27 states that have

801
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:38,980
expressed an interest in helping to

802
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:40,899
develop national science education

803
00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:42,490
standards and then they would presumably

804
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:45,159
adopt them and once they are developed

805
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:48,129
and they can we predict on the map where

806
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:49,990
some of these kids might be or is it yes

807
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,899
not really not really because it's sort

808
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:54,639
of varies i mean it they are kind of all

809
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:57,430
over the map and I mean I I don't want

810
00:35:02,460 --> 00:34:59,130
to make too big a point of this because

811
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,470
these are all multivariate browse right

812
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:04,080
and so there's always more than one

813
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:08,350
causative variable but I mean some

814
00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:10,090
states might be very interested in the

815
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:11,560
standards but just didn't have the money

816
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:15,790
to sort of direct staff to spend time

817
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:17,230
doing this rather than doing something

818
00:35:22,809 --> 00:35:19,210
else that because you know

819
00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:22,819
but I firmly believe that a lot of

820
00:35:27,279 --> 00:35:25,430
states are kind of hanging back on the

821
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:27,289
science ed standards even though they

822
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:29,480
signed up on math and they signed up on

823
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:32,349
English language they're holding back on

824
00:35:35,859 --> 00:35:34,760
science standards because they want to

825
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:35,869
see what they're going to do with

826
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:37,960
evolution and with climate change

827
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:41,390
because those are the touchy issues and

828
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:43,609
of course the framework that the

829
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:46,130
National Academy came out with is very

830
00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:49,190
strong on evolution and it's got climate

831
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,230
change scattered throughout I mean it

832
00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:53,359
both of these topics are treated in a

833
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:58,190
very responsible manner now I've I have

834
00:36:05,769 --> 00:36:02,480
seen the drafts of the the first draft

835
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:05,779
of the science education standards as

836
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:07,690
they've come out of this nonprofit

837
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:09,650
organization that's constructing them

838
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:13,400
it's not a secret I mean they have been

839
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:21,309
Mark McCaffrey is much happier with the

840
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,910
treatment of climate change than I am

841
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:24,079
with the treatment of everything oh

842
00:36:29,799 --> 00:36:26,450
really yeah number of things that they

843
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,809
have to fix but with climate change for

844
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,720
example there are lots of references to

845
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:34,160
global warming there's lots of

846
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:36,770
references to principles and concepts of

847
00:36:40,359 --> 00:36:38,900
climate change and this is a middle

848
00:36:42,789 --> 00:36:40,369
school that's in high school it's an

849
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:42,799
earth science it's in ecology and

850
00:36:46,779 --> 00:36:44,990
biology so you know it's nicely

851
00:36:50,019 --> 00:36:46,789
distributed throughout is the argument

852
00:36:52,059 --> 00:36:50,029
coming up from the opponents of climate

853
00:36:54,490 --> 00:36:52,069
change that oh it's just a theory are

854
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:54,500
they using that line you know it's that

855
00:37:01,180 --> 00:36:57,650
they're not using that line but they're

856
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:01,190
using the basic concept that oh it's

857
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:04,010
it's not valid science so it's only just

858
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:06,740
the some scientists think well then that

859
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:08,420
sort of thing that's like and what's

860
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:11,630
rather upsetting about the anti global

861
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:13,670
warming that the climate the climate

862
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,410
change denial ists if you will is the

863
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:20,000
the ad hominem attacks against

864
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:22,760
scientists that's nothing new is it yeah

865
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,650
well but it's it's particularly vicious

866
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:27,680
I agree I agree I mean I know there's

867
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:30,280
people have been very strongly motivated

868
00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:32,590
passions run high and many issues but on

869
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:36,100
this issue it's why I suppose I normally

870
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:38,500
don't bring it up on the skeptics are

871
00:37:44,250 --> 00:37:40,180
not very much as my listeners know

872
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,260
because that the vile venom and and the

873
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,000
the frothing of the mouths of some

874
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:49,210
people I don't understand it I don't get

875
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,070
that kind of passion for something like

876
00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:54,400
this when I was talking about the the ad

877
00:38:02,070 --> 00:37:57,400
hominem remarks I was thinking

878
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:02,080
specifically of the claims that oh those

879
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:05,170
climate scientists who are promoting the

880
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:07,810
hoax of global warming they're just

881
00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:09,610
doing it to keep the research bucks

882
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:10,870
that's it that's it that's where they

883
00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:12,310
get their money they have to do this to

884
00:38:16,530 --> 00:38:14,080
you so there and they know it's not true

885
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:16,540
but they're doing it anyway they serve

886
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:18,040
others and of course the same thing was

887
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,780
said about evolution which was even more

888
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:21,760
hilarious of course because you know if

889
00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:22,990
you really want to go into big bucks

890
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:26,680
become a paleontologist right this is

891
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:32,560
your key to wealth important happen

892
00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:35,290
that's right but so you know we'll be on

893
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,700
the floor whenever we'd hear that with

894
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:39,040
evolution now granted there is more

895
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:42,450
federal research money that goes into

896
00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:44,970
climate prediction climate modeling

897
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:48,220
because it's really important if you're

898
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:50,710
going to grow crops in the Midwest hmm

899
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:53,140
right you need to know what weather

900
00:38:59,180 --> 00:38:55,270
patterns are likely to be happening in

901
00:39:01,890 --> 00:38:59,190
the next five years because that may

902
00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:01,900
have a very strong influence on what

903
00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:03,550
kinds of crops you might advise from

904
00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:06,280
just a row and do you I mean we need to

905
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:07,660
know whether this is happening there's

906
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:10,660
some very important the military needs

907
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:14,500
to know about climate change and because

908
00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:19,300
if indeed the the predictions are even

909
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:23,800
only half as dire as the mainstream

910
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:26,800
predictions are promoting that means

911
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:28,270
that there's going to be massive

912
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:31,150
population movements over the next ten

913
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:34,090
years and that means a much there will

914
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:36,340
be refugees going into other countries

915
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,230
there's going to be a lot of disruption

916
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:41,680
in many parts of the world and how is

917
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:43,330
this going to affect

918
00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:46,930
the security of the United States and so

919
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:50,260
what's ironic is that although the US

920
00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:51,460
military is generally considered

921
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:53,380
considered a fairly conservative

922
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:54,760
institution and it is a conservative

923
00:39:59,370 --> 00:39:56,770
institution they haven't become a bunch

924
00:40:01,170 --> 00:39:59,380
of you know wild ideas there's not a lot

925
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:01,180
of pot smoking going on in the bennigan

926
00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:06,490
um they they are probably the

927
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,340
institution that is taking the most

928
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:12,480
serious look at lyman changing you find

929
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:16,630
lots of research money and the Pentagon

930
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:19,150
seems that a lot of money being poured

931
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:23,920
into alternate fuels because they you

932
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:25,810
know they realize that many parts of the

933
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:29,830
world where we get oil are unstable and

934
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:31,120
they're going to become more unstable if

935
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:33,070
there's famines and droughts and the

936
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:35,500
lack of water is you know waters the

937
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:37,810
next oil is people keep saying that is

938
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:40,090
going to be the Liebig minimum of the

939
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:42,040
resources that we're going to need mmm

940
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,350
if the glaciers melt in the Himalayas

941
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:47,440
the people downstream and Pakistan and

942
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,320
India are going to be in really bad

943
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:52,240
shape and monsoon season because that's

944
00:40:57,660 --> 00:40:55,090
where they get their water similarly as

945
00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:57,670
the planet warms the oceans are the

946
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:00,460
primary heat sink for for the warmth I

947
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:01,810
mean there's already been a huge amount

948
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:05,110
of warmth that is come into the planet

949
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:07,270
over the last 100 years 200 years and

950
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:09,850
most of its gone into the oceans mmm

951
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,060
well when the oceans absorb heat they

952
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:15,760
expand and if there's going to be more

953
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:18,790
absorption of heat by the oceans which

954
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:20,830
is predicted that not as toasty as they

955
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:22,870
could get that means that coastlines are

956
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,510
going to change and where do most human

957
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,280
beings live especially in places like

958
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:29,920
Pakistan and India and Australia and

959
00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:32,110
Australia yeah you guys are going to

960
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:34,900
recursively host yeah that's right so

961
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:37,330
the US military is looking very

962
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:40,450
seriously at alternate fuels so that

963
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:42,670
they can continue to service the troops

964
00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:49,950
in places where there may be problems of

965
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:52,360
human migration due to climate change

966
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:55,050
and desperation and lack of water and so

967
00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:58,410
yeah well you have got your your plate

968
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:01,170
full Jeanie your cup is full your plate

969
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:03,210
is full oh heck I thought we could quit

970
00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:06,270
next month oh I guess we'll just stay in

971
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:07,950
business then I thank you ever pointing

972
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:10,980
that it I think you should I really

973
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:14,040
think you should um well it's it's just

974
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:15,900
my absolute pleasure to visit you

975
00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:17,790
whenever I can and I'm so grateful that

976
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:20,100
you give me time every time so we can

977
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:21,540
have a chat and I'm sure our listeners

978
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,400
really appreciate your insights well

979
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:25,200
it's such a fun show and I love being

980
00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:27,810
out up with you so y'all stop by again

981
00:42:43,059 --> 00:42:39,339
hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this part

982
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,069
yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn

983
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:45,500
unicorn there are no such things as

984
00:42:50,890 --> 00:42:48,680
unicorns silly yes there is no there

985
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:50,900
isn't hey guys what are you arguing

986
00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:53,990
about tom thinks unicorns are real say

987
00:42:59,470 --> 00:42:56,750
so our let's look us up in the skeptics

988
00:43:01,599 --> 00:42:59,480
dictionary now what how can we do this

989
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:01,609
in this park there is the computer here

990
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,260
you guys probably don't know about the

991
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,359
skeptics dictionary app available now

992
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:08,240
for iPhone iPad and iPod touch in the

993
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:11,720
app store Wow cool the app lets you

994
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:13,609
access all of the great skeptics

995
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:15,290
dictionary articles when you're on the

996
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:18,650
go here let me look up unicorns now cool

997
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:21,500
Kenny prepare to be proven wrong it says

998
00:43:27,309 --> 00:43:23,450
here the Unicorn is a creature from

999
00:43:28,809 --> 00:43:27,319
fables aha actually I see now that

1000
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:28,819
someone just dumped their ice cream cone

1001
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:31,609
on that horse's head thanks skeptics

1002
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:41,540
here's Maynard spooky action at a

1003
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,160
well as I look out from the casino here

1004
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:51,200
I see a vast wasteland with no cultural

1005
00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:53,510
identity whatsoever and as I turn around

1006
00:43:58,030 --> 00:43:56,060
I see dr. Richie dr. Reggie how are you

1007
00:44:01,120 --> 00:43:58,040
here you've got a fantastic view their

1008
00:44:03,310 --> 00:44:01,130
of the sort of tumbleweeds yeah there's

1009
00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:03,320
not much to see out my window well

1010
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:05,780
there's there are some big mountains but

1011
00:44:09,819 --> 00:44:07,700
in between that is desert may not

1012
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:09,829
because we're in the desert aren't we we

1013
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:11,540
are and actually what River do we get

1014
00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:13,010
our water from is that the mighty

1015
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,320
Colorado coming through the Hoover Dam

1016
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:16,880
it is the Hoover Dam in fact the Hoover

1017
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:19,369
Dam was specifically built to provide

1018
00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:22,490
water to Las Vegas because building a

1019
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,320
casino town in the middle of a desert

1020
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:26,720
was a pretty silly thing to do since

1021
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:28,460
there's no water so they had to build

1022
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:29,960
their own water supply and that was the

1023
00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:31,700
hoover dam which I think was built in

1024
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:34,099
the 30s I think but I'm not a historian

1025
00:44:40,329 --> 00:44:37,190
yeah but you have been on the strip and

1026
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:40,339
downtown I have in fact a couple of

1027
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:42,170
lovely folk took me down to the strip

1028
00:44:46,210 --> 00:44:44,180
today and we in fact drove all the way

1029
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:46,220
through the strip and out to the suburbs

1030
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:48,230
of vegas which was really interesting

1031
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:50,300
because as you said i had passed the

1032
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:53,690
strip there are big estate communities

1033
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:55,609
where all the houses are exactly the

1034
00:45:00,520 --> 00:44:58,490
same and then there'll be a kilometer of

1035
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,530
nothing and then you come over a hill

1036
00:45:04,569 --> 00:45:02,240
and there's another big estate of houses

1037
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:04,579
that all look the same and the person i

1038
00:45:08,829 --> 00:45:06,380
was with used to live in vegas and she

1039
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:08,839
said that as a teenager growing up it

1040
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:11,569
was awkward if you were drunk in Vegas

1041
00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:13,700
because why because everyone is well I

1042
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:17,960
know better I'm up my face right now but

1043
00:45:21,339 --> 00:45:19,460
in the suburbs because all the houses

1044
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:21,349
look the same if you were drunk you

1045
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:23,569
didn't know which one was yours okay but

1046
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,890
it's Vegas people put up of the night

1047
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:26,720
well that's true I guess I don't know

1048
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:28,250
what it's like it and look over there on

1049
00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:31,130
that farce and June I can see a guy with

1050
00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:33,109
a backpack and some googly glasses

1051
00:45:36,579 --> 00:45:34,520
that's Richard Saunders making his way

1052
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:36,589
towards us yes I think he's making his

1053
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:38,030
way towards us but he might be in the

1054
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:41,210
sky with the aliens i'm not sure but he

1055
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:43,010
was actually doing an auto to the

1056
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:45,380
Thunder from Down Under but I think he

1057
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:47,510
was yeah he was he was just playing the

1058
00:45:51,550 --> 00:45:49,609
part of the down under yes he was i

1059
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:51,560
think so in one of the casinos i think

1060
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:53,450
i'm not sure which one yeah yeah

1061
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:55,670
interesting people I've met Playboy

1062
00:46:00,070 --> 00:45:57,290
Playmate 1999

1063
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:00,080
apparently then down the bar earlier and

1064
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:01,910
the reason for that is because describe

1065
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:04,070
my shirt to the listener yes well may

1066
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:05,450
night is wearing a lovely number this

1067
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:07,790
evening it is a Playboy shirt which i

1068
00:46:13,330 --> 00:46:10,510
think is in celebration of 20 years of

1069
00:46:15,370 --> 00:46:13,340
labor it might even be 50 years or

1070
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:15,380
something cuz there's some 60s there and

1071
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:16,610
that and she was bit disappointed cuz

1072
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:17,870
she was nineteen ninety-nine there's

1073
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:21,680
only goes to 1995 and yes I yeah what

1074
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:23,450
you're actually wearing is all the front

1075
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,420
covers in a little pattern all over your

1076
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:28,160
shirt with all the lovely ladies going

1077
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:30,710
back 50 years I'm it's gonna wit because

1078
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,790
you'll be standing somewhere and you'll

1079
00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:33,680
have people behind you going oh I got

1080
00:46:37,090 --> 00:46:35,720
that one look at that all right I got

1081
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:37,100
that one and they're never talking about

1082
00:46:41,860 --> 00:46:39,830
me right does that happen in do that

1083
00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:41,870
what happen in vegas not in you know

1084
00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:44,780
newcastle what it may not look lots of

1085
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:46,460
stuff happens in your castle newcastle

1086
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:48,260
west i will not hear a word against it

1087
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:50,180
okay i won't we won't talk about it

1088
00:46:53,770 --> 00:46:52,070
we're here to in vegas to celebrate town

1089
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:53,780
so we won't talk about Newcastle shall

1090
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:55,370
we know what are you doing there you've

1091
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:57,290
got your um your browser open and you're

1092
00:47:00,130 --> 00:46:58,670
mainly looking at like pictures of like

1093
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:00,140
really cut soccer players but I

1094
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:01,250
shouldn't you be doing something about

1095
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:03,710
here talk yeah no I'm just tweaking my

1096
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:05,240
talk I'm doing a workshop tomorrow

1097
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:07,450
afternoon or tomorrow morning actually

1098
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:10,100
and I'm you know that thing where the

1099
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:11,660
last minute before you present you know

1100
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:13,370
I just read that thing the other day on

1101
00:47:17,110 --> 00:47:14,570
the internet I better add that to my

1102
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:17,120
talk so I'm in that phase right now and

1103
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:18,650
you're doing a dr. Harriet halt who I am

1104
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:20,930
yes it's a workshop with dr. Harriet

1105
00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:22,940
whole dr. Steven novella and dr. David

1106
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:25,550
Gorski and we're talking about diagnosis

1107
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:27,530
by dr. google and how to find reliable

1108
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:29,690
health information on the internet now

1109
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:31,430
dr. Steve novella of course skeptics

1110
00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:33,050
guide to the University senior ologist

1111
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:35,390
he is a neurologist yes that means he's

1112
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:38,330
extremely paranoid about medicine um yes

1113
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:40,460
if that you could interpret it that way

1114
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:42,500
or he could do stuff to do with the

1115
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:44,030
brain and the central nervous system

1116
00:47:47,350 --> 00:47:45,410
because I try it when he was in

1117
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:47,360
Australia I tried to get him to find out

1118
00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:50,060
if neurologist looked down on thoracic

1119
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:51,590
surgeons who looked down on

1120
00:47:55,570 --> 00:47:53,510
dermatologists what the pecking order is

1121
00:47:56,860 --> 00:47:55,580
you reckon that's true or not I don't

1122
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:56,870
know who did you get him to answer that

1123
00:48:01,680 --> 00:47:58,790
question may not know he wouldn't answer

1124
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,690
it but he did talk about quantum

1125
00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:04,880
entanglement he did did he well and the

1126
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:06,440
great thing is I've actually got an

1127
00:48:09,329 --> 00:48:08,090
interview with a las vegas cab driver

1128
00:48:11,489 --> 00:48:09,339
talking about quantum

1129
00:48:13,469 --> 00:48:11,499
engelmann after I'd been to the Penn &

1130
00:48:15,989 --> 00:48:13,479
Teller show and after I've had quite a

1131
00:48:18,089 --> 00:48:15,999
few drinks so I could not remember

1132
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:18,099
quanta meant I could remember spooky

1133
00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:19,390
action at a distance which is what

1134
00:48:23,219 --> 00:48:20,920
Einstein called it but I could not

1135
00:48:24,749 --> 00:48:23,229
remember quantum entanglement and could

1136
00:48:26,789 --> 00:48:24,759
anyone remember that after like five or

1137
00:48:28,349 --> 00:48:26,799
six drinks I probably not I mean all

1138
00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:28,359
these days all you have to say is Higgs

1139
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:30,069
boson and that's it you know everything

1140
00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:32,650
about physics right now does it actually

1141
00:48:35,999 --> 00:48:34,420
in the shape of a cross I've seen a bit

1142
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:36,009
of stuff on Twitter from Christians

1143
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:37,660
saying that the Higgs boson particle is

1144
00:48:44,009 --> 00:48:40,089
in the shape of a cross no doubt I don't

1145
00:48:47,339 --> 00:48:44,019
think so nobody knows that it's it's a

1146
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:47,349
bit penis in a spectrum of noise it

1147
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:50,049
doesn't have a shape it's it I don't

1148
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:52,089
think that's true well the thing I'm

1149
00:48:54,989 --> 00:48:53,319
hoping to again I'm looking out the

1150
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:54,999
window because I don't like standing a

1151
00:48:59,279 --> 00:48:57,849
dr. Reggie basically I really like the

1152
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:59,289
fact that we may be living in a universe

1153
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:01,420
there's a projection of a hologram from

1154
00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:03,910
outside our universe based on some black

1155
00:49:10,469 --> 00:49:08,289
hole studies huh you expect me to

1156
00:49:12,299 --> 00:49:10,479
address that comment yeah well yeah look

1157
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:12,309
I'm going with it but one thing there's

1158
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,920
been three or four chem trails over Las

1159
00:49:20,370 --> 00:49:17,440
Vegas already or as they're now known

1160
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:20,380
persistent jet contrails right yes and

1161
00:49:23,009 --> 00:49:21,910
you took photographic evidence of those

1162
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:23,019
didn't you may not so they actually

1163
00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:24,670
happened I've seen the evidence they

1164
00:49:31,319 --> 00:49:27,700
were there now cuz the big names here

1165
00:49:33,299 --> 00:49:31,329
this week will be a stunning Danny Arab

1166
00:49:35,999 --> 00:49:33,309
where is Dunning darling should be

1167
00:49:38,130 --> 00:49:36,009
coming her ab is emceeing so he'll be

1168
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:38,140
here definitely LeBron darling actually

1169
00:49:42,839 --> 00:49:40,150
drove a cab over so soon as his chief

1170
00:49:44,819 --> 00:49:42,849
knocks off he'll be here oh yeah he's

1171
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:44,829
like that he's got about five jobs no

1172
00:49:48,059 --> 00:49:46,690
one last question because you got like

1173
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:48,069
really heavy work through there looking

1174
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:49,390
at these cuts soccer players you've got

1175
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:52,420
there oh now what how would you describe

1176
00:49:55,799 --> 00:49:53,950
this for people haven't been here what's

1177
00:49:57,329 --> 00:49:55,809
it like I mean I just got here and I

1178
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:57,339
haven't bumped into too many people that

1179
00:50:01,650 --> 00:49:59,130
are gone he may not mainly bumped into

1180
00:50:03,059 --> 00:50:01,660
1999 playboy bunnies in the bar the

1181
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:03,069
thing with you Maynard you have some

1182
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:05,410
sort of I don't know force around you

1183
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:07,630
that manages to attract 1995 playboy

1184
00:50:12,299 --> 00:50:10,210
bunnies to the bar yeah never any newer

1185
00:50:15,089 --> 00:50:12,309
than that never sixties ones just 1995

1186
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,099
for some reason to explain what this is

1187
00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:18,880
like it's obviously Vegas is the strip

1188
00:50:22,289 --> 00:50:20,619
that everyone's familiar with from

1189
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:22,299
seeing it in movies and then turn on the

1190
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:23,200
television

1191
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,450
but what many people may not know is

1192
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:27,280
that there are other casinos scattered

1193
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:29,170
around kind of like I don't know you

1194
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:30,609
wouldn't call them second great but

1195
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:32,200
they're cheaper and there would be

1196
00:50:36,089 --> 00:50:34,270
further out of the city and some of them

1197
00:50:38,849 --> 00:50:36,099
are a little bit tattered and falling

1198
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:38,859
down and old the south point is this

1199
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:41,940
huge building in the middle of Suburbia

1200
00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:45,099
surrounded by empty fields with a few

1201
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:48,460
houses and it's it's covered in a gold

1202
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:52,930
sort of sheer so it glitters so from a

1203
00:50:59,460 --> 00:50:55,089
distance you see this glittering mass in

1204
00:51:01,740 --> 00:50:59,470
front of you it's very very cheesy and

1205
00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:01,750
yeah it's broke Vegas I'm about to go

1206
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,400
down to the bowels of this building and

1207
00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:05,880
talk to a DJ Grothe now is he like

1208
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:10,300
dubstep acid house what sort of djz I

1209
00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:11,650
think he's like from the Madchester

1210
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:15,940
period saris a bit sort of ecstasy you

1211
00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:17,140
know that so it's going to be playing

1212
00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:18,520
it's going to be wearing flares and

1213
00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:20,500
playing some stone roses I think so yeah

1214
00:51:24,569 --> 00:51:22,420
yeah you're into that may know that's

1215
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:24,579
your era okay well I'm gonna go down and

1216
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:25,960
make a complete fool of myself just

1217
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:28,089
someone fairly high up in the J ref yeah

1218
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:29,710
he's just the president don't worry I'm

1219
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:35,260
sure he won't mind hello because I

1220
00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:36,730
Richard you see you as well and let me

1221
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,200
tell you it's been a busy weekend here

1222
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:39,760
at tam and we're only just getting this

1223
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:41,170
sort of an episode outer you're really

1224
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:43,089
good you're too busy doing that super

1225
00:51:46,349 --> 00:51:44,710
backroom networking that you skeptics

1226
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:46,359
get up to whatever that is black ops or

1227
00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:48,670
something I guess if I told you I'd have

1228
00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:50,859
to kill you the odds expression yeah

1229
00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:53,020
we're always busy at am but at the

1230
00:51:56,849 --> 00:51:54,460
moment we're having a great time because

1231
00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:56,859
dr. HD and I are here at the Australian

1232
00:52:00,569 --> 00:51:58,510
skeptics table helping to promote the

1233
00:52:03,059 --> 00:52:00,579
convention and helping to promote the

1234
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:03,069
skeptic magazine and look the listeners

1235
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:05,020
will be glad to know that already are

1236
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:06,280
only about halfway through and I've

1237
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:08,770
recorded over 60 interviews already in

1238
00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:12,430
fact 1.3 gig of information I've report

1239
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:15,849
already day 19 arms I know about being a

1240
00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:18,010
bit above it yesterday but yeah well

1241
00:52:22,109 --> 00:52:19,480
that's a lot of information for the

1242
00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:22,119
listeners to download well it's all web

1243
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:23,380
file so it's all going to be compressed

1244
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,210
anything yet it's hard right but that is

1245
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:27,040
quite a bit and lasting that's what

1246
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,660
that's why the listeners wanted you to

1247
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:30,400
come may not and that's what I also want

1248
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:30,990
to thank

1249
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:33,390
one for chipping in and helping me get

1250
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:34,650
here i actually did with what I'd ever

1251
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:36,750
turn up here and I'm just having a great

1252
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,520
time and I'm hoping it's a way of

1253
00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:40,200
sharing the event with everybody there

1254
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:42,150
so that's so they can hear look there

1255
00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:43,710
there's a bit of here those listeners

1256
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:45,060
you can't make it and we've had so many

1257
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:46,980
listeners dr. AG come up and say hello

1258
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,570
to us it's fantastic but for the

1259
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:50,160
listeners who can't make it may not your

1260
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:51,930
reports will make them feel like they

1261
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:53,970
were here yeah and look if we can't get

1262
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:55,619
into a regular zone you might do like a

1263
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:56,850
special one or something like that at

1264
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,770
some point the near future absolutely

1265
00:53:02,570 --> 00:53:00,960
may not tell me about your impressions

1266
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,580
of Vegas and because you stayed on the

1267
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:04,500
street for a couple of nights do you ago

1268
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:07,050
I was at the exploding mirage and I have

1269
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:08,750
been to Vegas a few times before and

1270
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,310
there was one night there where a friend

1271
00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:12,720
of mine was out gambling till all hours

1272
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:15,030
of the morning and and I kept getting an

1273
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:16,380
hourly report kept coming up to the

1274
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,910
lemon day things are going well things

1275
00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:19,440
are not going well a month I'm down all

1276
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:21,360
that sort of stuff well that's the way

1277
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,680
you're supposed to do it in Vegas right

1278
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:24,720
oh yeah and I've got so much tech to

1279
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:28,920
take home so much tank yeah in fact I'm

1280
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:30,180
gonna be I'm gonna be looking into some

1281
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,560
of the techniques of wildlife smuggling

1282
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:33,240
because I might I might need to get the

1283
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:34,590
things into Australia that need to be

1284
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,710
secreted interesting to you did a couple

1285
00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:39,420
of weeks ago about wildlife laying out

1286
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:40,950
that was very good yeah and I won't have

1287
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:42,390
any drugs a wildlife but I'll have a lot

1288
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:43,859
of really tacky stuff but I just would

1289
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:45,000
not want to be caught going through

1290
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:47,130
customs so what about the alien vodka

1291
00:53:50,359 --> 00:53:48,780
that you tweeted a picture of last night

1292
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:50,369
where is that going to go well the empty

1293
00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:53,310
bottle is it could be is on display in

1294
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,070
my room so I can look unless this come

1295
00:54:00,050 --> 00:53:58,020
up and and view it in your room pay a

1296
00:54:01,790 --> 00:54:00,060
dollar and viewers I believe anyone

1297
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:01,800
that's familiar with the UFO phenomena I

1298
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:04,619
think I experienced missing time last

1299
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:07,530
night IOC and then when you wake up you

1300
00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:09,000
found the alien vodka bottle was empty

1301
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,100
that's correct oh that's a common

1302
00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:13,380
phenomenon may know I thought it was

1303
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:16,590
something new but actually may not you

1304
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:18,450
are near area 51 so that may have had

1305
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:20,310
something to do with it it's so cool I'm

1306
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:22,740
thinking about that every day yeah be

1307
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:24,450
careful you might get abductor takedown

1308
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,610
of course I'm here right now at this

1309
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:34,240
epic turntable where dr. Reggie is

1310
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:36,250
checking her emails how's it going there

1311
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:39,130
pretty good may not NEC sorta sisters

1312
00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:41,290
come in this morning any wash see sort

1313
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:43,780
of cysts legal emails I'll see sword

1314
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:46,390
assist you no not yet okay well I've

1315
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:48,270
been told to cease and desist this shirt

1316
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,320
it's a periodic table of the elements

1317
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:52,000
what's wrong with that some people have

1318
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:53,290
got a problem with that particularly

1319
00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:55,330
americone IAM really i think it's a

1320
00:54:59,790 --> 00:54:58,420
miracle imperialism oh baby yeah i think

1321
00:55:01,620 --> 00:54:59,800
it honey just for a little while inside

1322
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:01,630
a reactor which one is extremely rare

1323
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:03,250
americano never heard of it actually

1324
00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:05,860
myself Maynard can you eat it otherwise

1325
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:07,900
are you being elementalist there's some

1326
00:55:12,030 --> 00:55:09,310
elements you've got a problem I am being

1327
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:12,040
elementalist it comes to mercury folks

1328
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:13,420
we'll talk about it all day but when

1329
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:15,400
America onium comes up she's strangely

1330
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:17,710
silent is americone Ian lobby paying you

1331
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,430
i am from Big Mac mercury given be

1332
00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:24,160
accurate yeah actually I'm still

1333
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:25,990
actually continuing my Spanx experiment

1334
00:55:32,490 --> 00:55:27,640
you remember about that yes how's it

1335
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:32,500
going i'll show you i'm wearing my Spanx

1336
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:33,910
now I've discovered one thing may not

1337
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:35,380
show you he's under way they're Spanx

1338
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,390
yes he's we bought some Spanx on the

1339
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,520
strip the other day right it's reduced

1340
00:55:43,770 --> 00:55:41,680
my waist by about an inch but i keep

1341
00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:43,780
getting um really bad indigestion when i

1342
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:45,940
eat because because the time because the

1343
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:46,960
pressure is pushing up in my esophagus

1344
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,410
oh so can you just sort of unzip it when

1345
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:52,720
you eat men are like pull a little bit

1346
00:55:56,070 --> 00:55:54,010
out around about your breastbone there

1347
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:56,080
and do that in your fine right so you've

1348
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,370
got to pull it out with one hand and eat

1349
00:56:02,310 --> 00:56:00,400
with the other tribe okay then doesn't

1350
00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:02,320
serve very practical to me then how

1351
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:03,640
exciting is time this year for you

1352
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:06,010
you've been to a couple now yeah this is

1353
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:08,170
my third term actually um yeah it's

1354
00:56:12,810 --> 00:56:10,570
fantastic I mean it's it's always great

1355
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:12,820
it's a sort of vibe or a tone to it this

1356
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:14,650
year that we haven't had before or it's

1357
00:56:18,180 --> 00:56:16,120
different or different speaker that's

1358
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:18,190
causing something yeah there is but I

1359
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:19,930
can't talk about it ok well fair enough

1360
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:21,370
then well that's okay because we're not

1361
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:24,910
talking about you either no I think I

1362
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:26,470
think people probably heard about the

1363
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:28,690
tone of this year's town so we don't

1364
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:33,190
need to discuss it any further like most

1365
00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:35,260
things don't know what we're currently

1366
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:37,840
at the Strand skeptics table where a

1367
00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:40,510
local otherwise known as an American you

1368
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:41,860
may have seen them on television or in

1369
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:44,110
books perhaps is about to try a musk

1370
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:46,210
stick for the first time you dig you but

1371
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:47,590
you've never had on them before I've

1372
00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:50,110
never had a mustard Gnostic before okay

1373
00:57:04,050 --> 00:56:52,360
well give it a go but sniffing it smells

1374
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:04,060
good I'll try anything once hmm he's

1375
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:09,090
chewing tastes kind of like the

1376
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:11,770
marshmallow Easter eggs that I remember

1377
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:14,950
from childhood and is that a pleasant

1378
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:17,530
memory was it an association of taunting

1379
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:19,780
that you don't want to remember why I

1380
00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:21,220
wasn't particularly fond of them then

1381
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,840
but but it's not bad mmm no actually I

1382
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:27,520
like them they're they're good okay

1383
00:57:30,660 --> 00:57:28,930
you're good whatever it is very tasty

1384
00:57:32,190 --> 00:57:30,670
there we go well that's someone who

1385
00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:32,200
likes the mastic they don't normally go

1386
00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:33,940
down too well do they reach it people

1387
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:35,620
usually think they taste like soap or

1388
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,510
perfume okay here so I'm DS bum yes or

1389
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:42,880
no oh they're good i like them here we

1390
00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:45,730
go chalk one up for the GS bum look and

1391
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:47,260
look he's the second person has turned

1392
00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:48,460
up at the main I'd meet and greet the

1393
00:57:52,350 --> 00:57:50,200
cold sausage has gone now and we have

1394
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,360
Karen E how are you Karen I'm wonderful

1395
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:53,680
and I'm so thrilled and I'm finally

1396
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:56,230
getting to meet so yeah I mean yeah I

1397
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:57,790
mean I'm most Australians know me

1398
00:57:59,460 --> 00:57:58,720
through a lots of other things but

1399
00:58:00,810 --> 00:57:59,470
you've only known me through this

1400
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:00,820
podcast I only know you threw this

1401
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:02,470
podcast but still I wasn't sure they'd

1402
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,420
let you into the country well you know

1403
00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:05,680
there's ways of hiding things through

1404
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:07,120
Las Vegas customs that I don't want to

1405
00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:08,920
skull Alton I'm sure a very good point

1406
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:12,670
and now what is it about our podcast our

1407
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:15,010
Australian skeptical scientific view of

1408
00:58:18,769 --> 00:58:17,530
the world that interest you oh that's an

1409
00:58:22,609 --> 00:58:18,779
easy one to answer

1410
00:58:24,409 --> 00:58:22,619
I think at least it seems to me what

1411
00:58:26,209 --> 00:58:24,419
little exposure i have two Australian

1412
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:26,219
society in Australian culture that

1413
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:29,249
you're addressing the societal problems

1414
00:58:34,279 --> 00:58:31,650
that skeptics are traditionally you know

1415
00:58:37,249 --> 00:58:34,289
in battle with you going after the

1416
00:58:41,569 --> 00:58:37,259
anti-vaxxers you're going after the

1417
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:41,579
power bracelet people and we don't do

1418
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:43,380
that here like we should in my opinion

1419
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:46,169
now is it because there's difficult

1420
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:48,209
legal issues here is because Randy did a

1421
00:58:51,409 --> 00:58:49,529
lot of that in the beginning and maybe

1422
00:58:56,479 --> 00:58:51,419
he's a mobile educational focus these

1423
00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:56,489
days um I think we've let people become

1424
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:59,819
entrenched into the bad patterns of

1425
00:59:04,009 --> 00:59:02,339
thinking into the non-productive you

1426
00:59:05,749 --> 00:59:04,019
know ways of dealing with problems it's

1427
00:59:09,529 --> 00:59:05,759
kind of a trademark of our culture now

1428
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,539
that we're complacent well if I was

1429
00:59:12,649 --> 00:59:10,799
looking for a quick fix which is why

1430
00:59:16,429 --> 00:59:12,659
non-science thinking is so popular

1431
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:16,439
because science is hard oh it's so it's

1432
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:20,130
hard for baby look anything that's worth

1433
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:23,339
doing it's it it's got to be hard but

1434
00:59:26,359 --> 00:59:24,689
you've got to earn it or it doesn't

1435
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:26,369
really mean anything does it but you

1436
00:59:29,539 --> 00:59:27,689
said it with a smile on your face and it

1437
00:59:33,499 --> 00:59:29,549
is so true but it's such a hard sell for

1438
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:33,509
people yes it is it's I I'm sort of

1439
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:36,209
notorious at my workplace because I work

1440
00:59:38,689 --> 00:59:37,619
with a lot of people who can we talk

1441
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,699
about this on radio I mean is this

1442
00:59:42,469 --> 00:59:40,319
something that goes on the Friday okay

1443
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:42,479
um because I work with a lot of

1444
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:45,839
believers and a lot of people who very

1445
00:59:49,489 --> 00:59:47,640
much are entrenched in in their

1446
00:59:52,669 --> 00:59:49,499
mainstream culture and of course I don't

1447
00:59:54,529 --> 00:59:52,679
really blend very well but I'm fortunate

1448
00:59:55,939 --> 00:59:54,539
and that I not so how do you hush your

1449
00:59:58,699 --> 00:59:55,949
mouth and how do you know when to say

1450
01:00:00,169 --> 00:59:58,709
something um you think about people's

1451
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:00,179
feelings you think about being

1452
01:00:07,779 --> 01:00:04,529
respectful you think about what can I

1453
01:00:10,459 --> 01:00:07,789
share here that might help someone think

1454
01:00:12,259 --> 01:00:10,469
about this problem without making them

1455
01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:12,269
feel attacked

1456
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,740
and I guess it comes down to the to

1457
01:00:18,839 --> 01:00:17,200
respect and encouragement I encourage

1458
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:18,849
you to join me that's what that is if

1459
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:20,170
you're taking something away you've got

1460
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,730
to offer something to replace it you

1461
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:23,680
can't just eat bank or else you know

1462
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:25,480
you'll get a reputation to debunk oh

1463
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:27,130
absolutely absolutely you have to offer

1464
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:29,740
something to replace and and people they

1465
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,200
cling to their religious traditions and

1466
01:00:36,779 --> 01:00:34,480
you know there's a superstition beliefs

1467
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,789
and these are the things because they do

1468
01:00:40,019 --> 01:00:38,799
provide something that they need and

1469
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:40,029
what's the one that gets you going the

1470
01:00:43,049 --> 01:00:41,440
most the one that you just can't help

1471
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:43,059
yourself having to open your mouth about

1472
01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:47,200
oh right now our whole country is torn

1473
01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:51,059
about is torn apart by marriage equality

1474
01:00:58,109 --> 01:00:55,480
battle and it really infuriates me when

1475
01:01:06,210 --> 01:00:58,119
people say well this can't ever be made

1476
01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:06,220
legal because it's wrong as I know I've

1477
01:01:11,549 --> 01:01:08,349
had that argument with my stepmother and

1478
01:01:14,609 --> 01:01:11,559
when asked why machine uses the Bible as

1479
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,619
the reason oh my goodness um I tend to

1480
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:16,960
go back a little further and I say when

1481
01:01:22,289 --> 01:01:18,990
was it alright to keep a bunch of

1482
01:01:25,499 --> 01:01:22,299
Americans in channel slavery we got rid

1483
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:25,509
of man was it right not to let half of

1484
01:01:30,809 --> 01:01:28,210
the entire nation not vote because they

1485
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:30,819
were women we got rid of that so why

1486
01:01:37,049 --> 01:01:33,400
should we say this section of our

1487
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:37,059
citizenry but can't participate in an

1488
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:40,660
institution that we value and and want

1489
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:44,410
people to pursue just because they don't

1490
01:01:49,019 --> 01:01:46,900
love who we expected them to yeah that's

1491
01:01:50,849 --> 01:01:49,029
not right i look and they always oftenly

1492
01:01:52,890 --> 01:01:50,859
think of the children argument gets

1493
01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:52,900
played in this one too doesn't it oh my

1494
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:56,680
goodness do you know how many happy well

1495
01:02:01,799 --> 01:01:59,410
balanced normal children come from every

1496
01:02:05,999 --> 01:02:01,809
type of family you can possibly imagine

1497
01:02:08,429 --> 01:02:06,009
and how many maladaptive unhappy

1498
01:02:09,989 --> 01:02:08,439
children come from every type of family

1499
01:02:11,789 --> 01:02:09,999
that you can imagine it doesn't matter

1500
01:02:14,429 --> 01:02:11,799
the gender your parents doesn't matter

1501
01:02:17,069 --> 01:02:14,439
how much money you have or don't have or

1502
01:02:19,170 --> 01:02:17,079
what brand of politics you espouse what

1503
01:02:22,049 --> 01:02:19,180
happened what matters are if children

1504
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:22,059
feel loved and if children are educated

1505
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:25,209
and the children are encouraged to think

1506
01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:27,670
and be themselves they're going to be

1507
01:02:31,650 --> 01:02:29,589
great people we've actually found the

1508
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:31,660
skeptic zone listener in Las Vegas who

1509
01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:34,390
is a my name is Greg and can you explain

1510
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:38,099
Richard Saunders haircut arm special

1511
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:40,569
okay some people have said breakfast

1512
01:02:44,459 --> 01:02:42,729
club but special that's very good now

1513
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:44,469
what is your thing with skepticism

1514
01:02:48,329 --> 01:02:45,609
what's your what's your thing what do

1515
01:02:51,959 --> 01:02:48,339
you hey I love that I UFO go and add a

1516
01:02:56,539 --> 01:02:51,969
vaccine guy a ghost guy gosh you know I

1517
01:02:59,059 --> 01:02:56,549
think the whole anti-vaccination

1518
01:03:01,999 --> 01:02:59,069
I really is a problem for me in

1519
01:03:04,099 --> 01:03:02,009
California no I am actually that would

1520
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:04,109
be I imagine the biggest place apart

1521
01:03:08,269 --> 01:03:06,119
from maybe Oregon where they maybe don't

1522
01:03:09,859 --> 01:03:08,279
like it we do have our high

1523
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:09,869
concentration yes definitely in

1524
01:03:13,999 --> 01:03:12,299
California you know I don't know why but

1525
01:03:16,489 --> 01:03:14,009
is it because there's a bit of an

1526
01:03:18,499 --> 01:03:16,499
anti-authoritarian bent in some areas of

1527
01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:18,509
California could be could be maybe

1528
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:20,900
people feel that they may know better

1529
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:24,319
and therefore our complacent and don't

1530
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:29,880
decide to you know follow up on on a

1531
01:03:35,179 --> 01:03:32,609
critical thinking aspect okay i was

1532
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:35,189
talking to DJ Grothe earlier but he was

1533
01:03:38,660 --> 01:03:36,630
saying he'd always worked in reasonably

1534
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:38,670
some skeptical places what sort of place

1535
01:03:42,709 --> 01:03:39,689
to you again if you don't mind me asking

1536
01:03:45,439 --> 01:03:42,719
i work for a local public transit agency

1537
01:03:48,169 --> 01:03:45,449
okay so what sort of woo comes across

1538
01:03:50,329 --> 01:03:48,179
your office on a regular basis well I

1539
01:03:53,299 --> 01:03:50,339
can't say that there's that much

1540
01:03:55,189 --> 01:03:53,309
actually in my line of work forgery yeah

1541
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:55,199
I think I'm just I'm a computer

1542
01:03:57,949 --> 01:03:56,910
technician so are you full moon thing

1543
01:03:59,390 --> 01:03:57,959
people would say well there's going to

1544
01:04:01,489 --> 01:03:59,400
be trouble on a full moon wouldn't they

1545
01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:01,499
that's possible yes I have heard that

1546
01:04:07,849 --> 01:04:04,589
rule a little line before but you know

1547
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:07,859
of course I just dismiss it so what is

1548
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:09,209
the one that really makes you angry then

1549
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:10,859
apart is it the anti-vaccination that

1550
01:04:13,429 --> 01:04:12,420
really every time and how do you

1551
01:04:15,229 --> 01:04:13,439
approach it with people how do you

1552
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:15,239
explain to them the mercury isn't

1553
01:04:21,499 --> 01:04:18,420
killing everybody yeah anti-vaccination

1554
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:21,509
and astrology is another one that really

1555
01:04:27,799 --> 01:04:25,920
kind of you know bugs me a bit I'm the

1556
01:04:30,469 --> 01:04:27,809
Capricorn are you really I'm a Gemini

1557
01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:30,479
but at least that's what is it oh now

1558
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,969
Gemini whenever they leave the house I

1559
01:04:36,709 --> 01:04:34,079
take a different personality with them

1560
01:04:40,429 --> 01:04:36,719
on top that's true i have an inventory

1561
01:04:41,929 --> 01:04:40,439
at home I keep a spare with me but you

1562
01:04:43,489 --> 01:04:41,939
sometimes tell people do something else

1563
01:04:44,989 --> 01:04:43,499
just to get them going oh I hadn't

1564
01:04:46,249 --> 01:04:44,999
thought of that that's good tell people

1565
01:04:47,689 --> 01:04:46,259
your Scorpio everyone seems to think

1566
01:04:49,669 --> 01:04:47,699
Scorpio is really good in bed so you

1567
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,679
should say Scorpio also Scorpio is

1568
01:04:52,939 --> 01:04:51,119
probably the most murdered star sign

1569
01:04:55,219 --> 01:04:52,949
because for some reason that allegedly

1570
01:04:57,679 --> 01:04:55,229
they choose things like police fire

1571
01:04:59,749 --> 01:04:57,689
dangerous professions or just ask them

1572
01:05:01,789 --> 01:04:59,759
what you know ask somebody what do they

1573
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:01,799
think I am and then tell them something

1574
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:03,420
different just to see what their

1575
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:05,170
reaction is

1576
01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:07,609
then you go to what's my real style song

1577
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:09,160
calm and find out what you really are

1578
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:11,450
right right because you know you got to

1579
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:13,609
think about procession of the zodiac

1580
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:16,640
signs over the millennia you know and it

1581
01:05:21,729 --> 01:05:18,710
goes I've been pushing a fairly radical

1582
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:21,739
agenda here I'm pushing the fact that

1583
01:05:26,170 --> 01:05:24,049
Adam West was in fact the true and

1584
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:26,180
correct Batman I do believe in me or not

1585
01:05:32,769 --> 01:05:29,690
oh you've a Keaton guy or a hmm I think

1586
01:05:35,709 --> 01:05:32,779
Adam West was certainly the most

1587
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:35,719
important of the forerunners of the

1588
01:05:41,289 --> 01:05:39,890
Batman genre normally when someone says

1589
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:41,299
that listen that means they're working

1590
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:42,559
their way around to telling me I'm full

1591
01:06:03,160 --> 01:05:45,710
I think you're right great polite I

1592
01:06:09,020 --> 01:06:06,740
scopes monkey choir scopes monkey choir

1593
01:06:11,420 --> 01:06:09,030
wait are we acquire know when I require

1594
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:11,430
but we are musicians when I monkeys

1595
01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:16,500
either we are ready so what is scopes

1596
01:06:21,740 --> 01:06:19,470
monkey choir it's podcast oh yeah it's

1597
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:21,750
podcast it's the podcast where music and

1598
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:24,780
sound meets science and skepticism we

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are two professional musicians who

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decided to turn our skeptical eyes on

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our own profession we look at the

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science of music we look at studies

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recent studies about music and sound we

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look skeptically at musical myths we

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look at and we work out of our music

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listen to us at Scopes Monkey choir calm

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I'll find us on iTunes Scopes Monkey

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choir the podcast for music and sounds

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well thank you for listening to the

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skeptic zone here from tam 2012 Travis

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still with me still maintaining station

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here with me at the end of the corridor

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big day had lots of interesting talks

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and I can't wait to see may not again

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with his microphone running around he's

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going to be getting more interviews for

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us now what's coming up with you Travis

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what's happening in the travis roy near

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future well I'm looking forward to

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seeing Ben Radford's talk as well as the

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SGU at two o'clock later today and then

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what's the big event tonight this poker

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tonight look at this level clock is a

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special SGU poker night and then I think

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I'm taking part of that and I can't wait

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now look Travis I just hear the fact

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that I think Ben Radford has just taken

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the stage I think we better run in there

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why we hear something clinking down the

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end of the hall I think we better run in

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there and sign off so from the amazing

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meeting 2012 this is Richard Saunders

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and travis roy signing off you've been

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listening to the skeptic zone visit our

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website at www skeptics on TV for